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It was very interesting to interview another woman whose mother has Borderline Personality Disorder.  I could relate to a lot of it, especially the part about her mother hijacking conversations when she couldn’t relate to them.

What’s your age?

34

Are both of your parents living?

Yes

What’s their marital status?

They’ve been divorced since I was 15.

How many siblings do you have?

Two younger brothers.  We are close in age with less than 4 years total among us.

How often do you see your parents?

Mom, 2 each year. Dad, 4 times.

What are some of the ways you spend time together?

Really, since my daughter was born, they tend to come down for a weekend or we go up there for a big holiday.  We spend time at home cooking, catching up, or things related to my daughter.  My stepfather is the school social worker and he helps to manage my mother who has Borderline Personality Disorder and Bipolar Disorder.  She has variable energy for things.  If she wants to do it, we all have to go, but if shes doesn’t, we’re all stuck at home.  So, the thing in common to do is cook.  We can talk about books, but if it’s not in common, she hijacks it.  There is never a question about me or how I’m doing, but if there is, it’s a gesture to talk about she is doing.

After my parents got divorced and then, my dad came out.  He and his partner have been together for 12 years.  His partner is younger and closer to me in age.  My dad sometimes has the abilty to have an emotional conversation.  His partner can always do that.  My mother, never.

On a scale of one to ten, how much to you enjoy their company?

Mom:  Before my daughter, a 1.  I spent time with her because I thought it was what I was supposed to do to be a good daughter.  The time was spent taking care of her, so I hated it, but it was the obligatory check-in.  Since my daughter, a 4.  My mom is very childlike in her mental illness, so she and my daughter interact in a way that I never did with her.

Dad:  In an almost unhealthy way, we were best friends growing up.  I was his sidekick and he treated me like a little adult.  I’d run with him starting at 5 or 6.  He has a PhD in English literature, and when I started reading early, we’d have all these intellectual discussions.  But the goodness of our relationship was contingent upon my doing what he wanted me to do.  When I was in high school and started making different decisions, things became a bit stressful.  Now, I enjoy him as a 7.

Does spending time with them as a unit effect the dynamic of the visit? 

Nobody really spent time with them as a unit, my brothers nor I.  We were in the same house, but we didn’t see a demonstrated relationship.

What are some of the positive aspects of your relationship with them?

Mom:  I don’t feel that I have to be as perfect around my mom as my dad.  My mom is really passionate about geneology and family history, so I learn a lot of stories from her that I wouldn’t otherwise.  Helping my mom deal with her issues makes me more empathic to my patients and develop patience.  I practice medicine a little differently because I take time to understand each person as a whole emotionally.

Dad:  It’s hard to say. His love wasn’t completely unconditional.  He would be there for you if you did what he wanted, but if you wanted to choose differently, he wasn’t.  I think he was so personally unhappy and had a tendency to be narcissistic.  But is less now than he used to be.  He has a lot of valuable insight to offer, but it’s still a bit touchy if it’s something you know he doesn’t want to hear.  Very intellectual.

What are some of the negative aspects of your relationship with them? 

Mom’s jealousy.  One time she told our neighbor that my dad was having some kind of relationship with me.

Which is weightier, the positive or negative?

Currently, I still think talking to my mom is a chore that I have to do.  We talk every two weeks.  I do the assessment of her current psychiatric status to see if she needs her meds adjusted before she goes out to spend $50,000.  So, negative.

Dad, positive.  When he comes into town, he’s really focused on my daughter.  We’ll have conversations on the front porch while she naps.  Conversations that I actually get something positive from.

What are some of the aspects that contributed to a healthy relationship as adults? 

He’s able to listen and more able to take me where I am instead of shutting down if it’s not a conversation that he wants to have at that moment.  More supportive.

If negative, what are some of the aspects that contributed to a fractured relationship as adults? 

The unpredictable moods and the constant self-centeredness.  Any time I spend with her, I still feel like I’m five years old and at her mercy.

What do you appreciate most about their parenting?

Mom was so fun.  She’s a teacher, and in the summers she would take off and use her child-like nature to plan a curriculum and summer experience for my brothers and me.  It was crazy, but we didn’t know any better.  I was 10 or 11 when that fun wore off. I noticed other moms in the neighborhood didn’t want to spend time with her, and she had snide remarks about “other women.”  She was really pretty and thin growing up and she learned over time to get a lot of attention from men.  We’d be a the neighborhood pool and she’d be in the skimpiest bikini flirting with men.  She had a few suicide attempts and would set it up so my dad or I would find her.

My dad was really responsible.  Thank goodness he made sure the house was clean, we had meals on the table, and bills were paid.  Our rooms were clean, our homework was done.  I did all the cooking and took care of my brothers.

What do you wish they had done differently?

They both did the best they could, but neither was cut out to be a parent with three small kids in rapid succession.  They had a very dysfunctional relationship themselves.  They both could have gotten some counseling on issues from their upbringing.  Maybe they should have separated earlier in life.

How well do you relate to your siblings?

Pretty well.

Do you think they share your same reflections on your parents?

Yes.

Can you share a defining moment with your parents?

This is fairly recent.  My mom wanted to host Christmas for everyone.  She is not a very good cook or event planner.  Easily stressed and overwhelmed.  I offered to do all kinds of things I would normally do since I grew up cooking in that house.  She declined.  My grandmother was in town.  My mom reached a point of such anxiousness and was off schedule. My grandmother wound up doing most of the work and while my mother sat down with a glass of wine.  When the meal was served, she hopped up and took credit for it all.  She asked me to make coffee and publicly declared the meal as a failure because she didn’t like the coffee that I made.  She spilled lasagna on the table and blamed it on my grandmother.

My dad has been asking me for years about my marriage and when I announced to him that I was getting divorced, he was worried about being embarrassed for himself.

Has anything happened in recent history with them to change how you felt about them as a child?

Having my daughter.  At first, it was stressful with my mom because she had a vision of what she was going to do—come down and take care of all the cooking and cleaning—she thought she was capable of that.  We had a falling out after 2 weeks.  She knew what she wanted to be, but couldn’t.  It got better when my daughter was a year or so and she could sit and interact with her.

My dad became a lot more supportive when I was pregnant.  Wanted to know how I was feeling wanted to see ultrasound pictures.  He’s always said he looked more forward to grand-parenting than parenting.

It’s baffling to hear about a father that was never involved with his daughter.  Never picked her up or gave her affection.  Joy says, “As a kid you were waiting for it to blow up.  Indifference and anger. I don’t even think of my life with my dad.  He’s always been this fringe character.  Present, not absent.”  What a shame.

THE INTERVIEW

What’s your age?

48

Are both of your parents living?

Yes

What’s their marital status? 

Married, living separately for the last six or seven years.  They moved apart at 80 and 78.  They were selling the home I grew up in.  They were alone for a decade.  Dynamics happened from the past–Dad trying to purchase that house for them without her input.  And he did some squirrelly stuff in order to finance it.  After years, it finally blew up, and he decided to do his own thing.  They found that living apart worked. I never saw a lot of love.  They are entwined in a way that’s dysfunctional.  There is mental illness there.

How many siblings do you have? 

Five

How often do you see your parents? 

Not often.  Once every five years.

What are some of the ways you spend time together? 

My mom and I have had a complete relationship on the phone.  We are in touch a lot.  I lived up there for 7 months last year while she was hospitalized, and then I helped her move and get settled.

On a scale of one to ten, how much to you enjoy their company?

I can’t imagine enjoying their physical company, being with them. I would call my mother on the phone everyday after school–in high school.  I became a little estranged, I guess.  Dad, never.  He had nothing to do with me, never picked me up, had a lot of rage.  Not someone I wanted to be around. Mom, I kind of fell in love with her up there.  I was grateful for having that much time to get used to something.  It wasn’t easy living with her and her habits.  It was hard for me to not want to change her.  I realize since being back how much I enjoyed her.  She’s just old and kind of goofy.  We watched Real Housewives of New York every night–with my 88 year-old Roman Catholic mother!  It was weird, but I miss that. I was glad I felt love for my mother for the first real time in my life.  I almost moved back.

Does spending time with them as a unit effect the dynamic of the visit? 

Oh, God yes.  There is no unit.  We didn’t have a dynamic where we hung out together.  My parents did not make a family.  Things were always tense and Dad had no patience for kids.  As a kid you were waiting for it to blow up.  Indifference and anger. I don’t even think of my life with my dad.  He’s always been this fringe character.  Present, not absent.

Which aspects of their parenting have most contributed to a your relationship as adults? 

We really haven’t had an adult relationship.

What do you appreciate most about their parenting?

I’m grateful that Mom sent me to the high school that she did.  I was becoming a real pain in the ass, wanting to hang out with my older brothers that were causing trouble and experimenting with drugs.  It was a good education, a Catholic prep girls’ school.  Really small.  I was a troublemaker, but I was smart.  At least that gave me a great foundation.

What do you wish they had done differently?

Mom married the wrong guy, so she gave me bad advice all my life.  When I was a teenager, her message to me was not to rely on a man for anything, do it yourself.  She was super supportive in my career.  I knew where I was headed.  She’s more connected to my professional work rather than my relationships.  It’s her damage.  I wish she had been aware enough to not inject her politics on my upbringing in that way.  That was so unfair.  I wish she could’ve gotten around her issues.  They didn’t deliberately do much, but I think you have to do some things deliberately.

It could be that I wish my dad were a completely different person.  I wish he wasn’t miserable, but I think he’s chemically different.

How well do you relate to your siblings? 

I relate to my brother with schitzophenia and my brother in Hawaii.  We’re very real and present.  He was very supportive during my time with my mom.  Even if it was just on the phone, he was there for me to vent to, to talk to, he sent me money because I wasn’t working and commuting 60 miles from where I was living to my mom’s hospital.  He helped me with decision-making and emotional distress that erupted with my younger brother.  He stayed in touch.  He knew to call.  I talk on the phone to my other brother, too, a couple of times a month.  He wanted to be part of dinner plans with mom.

Do you think they share your same reflections on your parents? 

Yeah, they do, in different ways.  It’s because of gender difference.  They have stronger opinions about my father than I do.

Can you share a defining moment with your parents?

I guess prior to growing up and going to college, Dad was his miserable self and uninvolved with my life in any real way. But, I hadn’t totally turned my back on him being a factor in my life as an adult. When I was in my first job out of college, starting my career with a great company that hired me as an intern when I was still an undergrad, I was living on my own in an apartment and trying to defer my student loans while I got situated. The job was great but my pay was not. I asked my dad if I could list an expense of a car payment to him. I was really nervous that the loan officers might not approve my request and i just wanted to have enough expenses on my application so they would defer. My father would not allow me to list a smalll car payment since it wasn’t really true.

When I was 21 or 22, I was doing my taxes and needed to file not as dependant for the frst time.  My father, who would not help me financially in any way, told me that I could not file that way because he was still claiming me as dependent and the money he got back was more than whatever I would gain. He needed it more than I did, basically. I remember being totally shocked and betrayed and disgusted that my dad would do this to me as I was making my way after college. He didn’t offer to share the money or otherwise make up for it what I would lose. A year later, when I was declaring my self on my taxes, he was a bit more comfortable with stretching truth. I don’t know what he ended up doing that tax year, but the conversation ended with me saying that I wasn’t going to lie on my tax return. I remember distinctly drawing a line in my relationship with him–a moment that went from generalized ambiguity to a choice to disregard him from that point on.

This interview reflects my hunch that the best thing we can give our kids is our acknowledgement of our failures.  I hope I say “I’m sorry,” to my children enough.  

Whats’ your age?

34

Are both of your parents living? 

Yes

What’s their marital status?  

They are married.

How many siblings do you have?

Two, a brother and a sister.

How often do you see your parents? 

They’ve moved a lot in the past ten years. Right now, twice a year.

What are some of the ways you spend time together?

Dad and I typically talk intensively.  He’s a thinker, a professor.  We share books. He was my speech and debate coach in high school.

Mom’s crafty.  We might share patterns, music interests.  We’re both moms, so we share mothering experiences.  My kids are her only grandchildren.  And cooking—we both love to cook.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you enjoy your father’s company?

It’s changed over time.  He’s changed after some extra education.  Right now it’s about a three, when in the past it was an eight or nine.  He’s changed theologically and politically and is very different from me now, so there are just things that we can’t discuss anymore.  And that’s kind of the only thing you do with your dad. He now sees me as his stay-at-home brainwashed daughter.  Also, my mom is very domineering and he’s always wanted our respect.  This higher education now is his way to do that.  He doesn’t understand respect outside of agreement.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you enjoy your mother’s company?

That’s complicated.  Maybe a five, and that’s hopeful.  I think our relationship is getting better, and I think it’s because of me.  As a mom, I’m getting a more compassionate view of her.  After you become a mom, it’s easy to see how ugly you can be without sleep, etc.  She’s always been closer to my sister, and I’ve always known that.  I’m not combative though, so I bottle it up and I don’t confront her.

Does spending time with them together affect the dynamic of the visit?

Yes, because they fight.  I think it’s usually better with them separately.  It changes things.  It could be better, could be worse.  They don’t have the best relationship; they love each other but don’t relate to each other in a way that’s consistent with their beliefs.

What are some of the positive aspects of your relationship with them?

For the most part, we are an open family and we don’t play a lot of games.  No social games.  Things could get ugly, but they got dealt with.  My mom tells you what she thinks.  Dad can have diarrhea of the mouth.  We also have autism-spectrum issues, but the good part is there is no worry about what other people are thinking.  They are comfortable.  They are the only people I can really let my hair down around, outside of my husband and kids.

What about the negative?

I’m the oldest, and parents put more pressure on the oldest.  I do the same thing with my kids.  In our family, I played the role of the one who had it all together.  More was expected of me.  I was responsible for babysitting after school even at eight since we had hard financial times.  I became the homestead and now they all center around my family.  I have to remember that I’m not in charge and it makes for weird family dynamics.  It’s nothing for me to have a brand-new baby and do all the work for Thanksgiving.  My mother would like to be in that phase, but hasn’t for a variety of reasons.  I would imagine that’s strange for them.

Being transparent gets hard.  If I need something, it’s not instinct for them to step in.  There’s no understanding of hints, so I need to be direct with them.  I think my mother struggles with depression.

Honestly, which weighs more?

The positive.  I think it’s grace and forgiveness.  All parties involved want to love each other and want to be doing a good job.  We’re all struggling with our own issues, but in the past couple of years I think things have gotten much better.  Even with my dad, he needs my respect.  Loving and respecting him could produce change, but if it doesn’t, then it’s not my responsibility.

If the relationship is positive, what are one or two of the most important aspects of their parenting that contributed to a healthy relationship?

Their transparency of their own failures.  I remember verbatim every time my dad has said he’s sorry to me.  It’s not a lot, but that means more to me than anything else he could ever do.  Seeing my mom trying to build bridges between the two of us.  It makes me more hopeful about change.

What do you wish they had done differently?

Growing up, less now than then, they were isolated and we were, too.  They were embarrassed about the state of their house and marriage. They didn’t want to open up to people, but they needed other parents to come along side of them.  My mom needed other women, but she was intimidated.

What do you most appreciate about their parenting? 

They were thoughtful.  They did things because they thought it was the best thing to do.  There was a parenting book my dad read that was awful, but he was very consistent.  They were sincere.  If they felt that something was the right thing to do, they genuinely tried to do it.  They loved us.  Even if it was the wrong thing to do, we knew the motivation.

How well do you relate to your siblings? 

Pretty well now.  Things are comfortable.  My sister and I have had a historically tense relationship.  She struggled with ADD and had difficulty in her relationships.  She has hard feelings toward me.  Even though my mom relates to her better, I was her right hand lady.  My brother was really young as was everything the youngest is.  We get along now pretty well, but he’s very different from me in regard to beliefs. But we navigate that better now.

Do they share your same reflections about your parents?

Similar, but not the same.  We are all either on the outs or ins with my parents, and right now he’s on the ins and my sister is on the outs.

Can you share an example of a defining moment with your parents?

When we moved to Florida, it was tense.  We were living in a townhouse with an iron spiral staircase that went up to my sister’s and my room.  She said something really taunting to me while we were on the stairs, and I pushed her down the stairs.  She was hurt, but not broken.  I was nine, and my dad came and spanked me.  He spanked me in anger.  He still brings that incident up and talks about me like I was horrible.  We had just moved across the country and were under a lot of emotional stress and my sister was very difficult at the time.  This taught me that I was not allowed to be a kid.  I was held to a higher standard than my siblings.  It was a hard year and everyone was stressed, but I wasn’t allowed to make mistakes.

Has anything happened in recent history to change your relationship?

Just being a parent myself has helped me see how difficult parenting is and no one does it perfectly.  It helps me to be more gracious.  AND they’ve apologized for a lot of things.  That helps.

Annalise shares her admiration for her father and her struggle with his untimely death as well as her feelings about her mother and stepmother.

What’s your age:

37

Are both of your parents living?

No.  My father died and my mother and stepmother are living.

Marital Status of Parents:

Divorced

Number of Siblings:

Four

How often do you see your parents?

My birth mother, three times per year

What are some of the ways you spend time together?

Shopping, cooking, most of the time listening to her, supporting her through hard times.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you enjoy your mother’s company?

Birth mother-7

Stepmother—around a 6 or 7.  We are completely different people, and I’m not as accepted as her natural children, my half-siblings.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much did you enjoy your late father’s company?

About an 8. He had drug addiction issues. When he was sober, it was a 10, When he was high, a 4.

Did spending time with them together affect the dynamic of the visit?

I enjoyed them more one on one.

What are some of the positive aspects of your relationship with them?

Dad’s custody battle for me created a bond because we fought to be with one another.  Whatever I needed, unconditional love, wisdom, he was there for me with anything.

My birth mother is strong, even though she thinks she’s weak. She’s tried to have a stable family life, but it hasn’t worked.  She loves her family, though. She remembers everyone’s birthday and sends a card.

My stepmom is very take charge and makes things happen. She’s compassionate, but a diva.

What about the negative?

The addiction issue got in the way with Dad. When under the influence, he made horrible decisions and said hurtful things.

My stepmom was manipulative and controlling.

I am burdened for Mom constantly. I want to help, but realize that if our situation were reversed, she wouldn’t know how to help me.

Honestly, which weighs more in your mind? The positive or the negative?

With Dad, it’s positive. He was my hero.

For my natural mother, it’s positive, because I have a parent.  Someone on the earth who helped raise me and is around.  I value that she is my living biological parent.

It’s also positive for my stepmother. She’s going to get what she wants in life at any cost, and sometimes she fights that hard for her kids.

If the relationship is positive, what are one or two of the most important aspects of their parenting that contributed to a healthy relationship?

I was never embarrassed of my dad, even when he tried to be goofy.  He included me in the things he loved to do because he loved to share them with me.  Once, when I was grounded for 3 months, he decided that Saturday nights would be our time to learn to cook stir-fry.

My step-mom would drive me and my friends to roll our friends’ yards.  She brought the toilet paper, hot dogs for barking dogs, etc.  I also remember her consoling the boyfriends that I broke up with.

Mom and I cooked together and she went to everything I did: games where I cheered, dance recitals, modeling competitions.  She did the best she could.

What do you wish they had done differently?

I wish Mom had let me be me.  She enrolled me in things that weren’t my choice, such as modeling, etc.  I wanted to make more of my own choices.

I wish that Dad had forgiven his parents for the way they screwed up.  He came from a farm family, everyone worked hard, but he felt singled out.  He worked hard to be on top, but found that it was not what he thought it would be.  I wish he had forgiven them and let go and not lived his life trying to prove something to them.

How well do you relate to your siblings?

Growing up, we were super close.  I was the momma hen. Now, I don’t share the same beliefs with many of them, and family dynamics prevent us from spending a lot of time together.  Who we are makes it hard.

Do they share your same reflections?

I would assume that their perspective is very similar. I see a lot of repetition.

Can you share an example of a defining moment with your parents?

I remember Mom being forcefully held by my stepfather and yelling for me to call 911.  It made me feel like there was a weakness that couldn’t be overcome.  I wondered “What is this supposed to look like?”  Also, yelling at me using scripture in a hurtful way.

When my father was fighting for custody of me, my stepmom was away at treatment facility. She wrote me a letter telling me that it wasn’t all about me and that if I didn’t want to live with them, I could let her know and she would take down all her pictures of me.

I was engaged to my husband, and Dad didn’t like him.  We wanted to get married in college, and I got pregnant.  I was always the good girl.  I called my stepmom over and told her.  She was a great mediator and tried to talk to my dad.  I thought Dad was going to kill my fiancé.  But, he called me and said, “Well, if you are going to be a parent, you are going to have start getting up early.  Especially if it’s going to be a beautiful grandbaby of mine.”  It was grace.

Has anything happened since to change your relationship?

I’m still trying to help my mom.  She needs someone to fight for her, but I don’t believe women are weak.  I make her make the decision to help herself.

When Dad passed away, it was a dark moment in my life.  He took his life, and  just before that, I had a dream that turned out to be exactly what happened.  I’m in a good place now, though.  I know where he is.

It’s about the same with my stepmom. I had to let go of my resentment over how my father passed away.

In these interviews, it’s been refreshing to see the honesty that’s laid out on the table.  Here, genuine interest and willingness to discuss ideas are missing in the relationship Todd’s parents had with him.  He’s working hard to be an improvement on that for his kids.

What’s your age?

38

Are both of your parents living? 

My father died a few years ago.

What was their marital status?

Divorced

How many siblings do you have?

Four brothers: two step, one half, one full.

How often do you see your parents? 

Every other month

What are some of the ways you spend time together?

I see Mom (and stepfather) inside the context of family visits, particularly her visiting my children or attending one of their events.  Or, they come over for a meal on the weekend.

As a kid, I had a mix of fun and hell with my dad and stepmom because I never knew what to expect. Was someone going to yell at me?  Did I show up and have to do chores that I didn’t have to do at home?  I learned a lot; I owe it to my dad that I can tinker with things.  Some of the other things I learned was a love for the outdoors, camping, fishing. I enjoyed fishing; I don’t now because I’m not very good at it, but I’m glad I learned to do it.  Same with hunting.  As an adult, I didn’t spend a lot of time with my dad.  When he was alive, he may have come to the house for dinner and he may have attended an event for the kids.  I played golf with him two or three times.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much did you enjoy your father’s company? 

Dad, a 5.  I didn’t have a lot in common with him.  He was a dirty old man in a lot of ways and I found his behavior embarrassing.  His behavior and mine were so different, I wasn’t sure how we could look related.  We valued different things. He didn’t care what other people thought.

Mom, a 4.  She has become more and more opinionated and a stick in the mud.  She’s boring.  The extent of her visits are her interjecting her opinions about stuff.  Theology, politics.  The last three or four years, she doesn’t know what to do with me because I’ve “gone off the deep end.” I don’t share her opinions.  I went from being the golden kid to the one who has flown the coup.  Since that has happened, there is this unspoken distance.  I don’t always feel that way, but I often do.

Does spending time with them together affect the dynamic of the visit? 

My stepfather can get the same way that she does, but sometimes he makes the visits more pleasurable.

What are some of the positive aspects of your relationship with them? 

With Dad, a love of the outdoors, a strong work ethic, problem solving skills, being able to know about a lot of things, fix things about the house.  He gave me a sense of humor.  He liked to charm people.

I’m thankful for how Mom brought me up in the church with a certain set of values.  I have a deep respect for her for doing all she could for two boys by herself.  She had many opportunities to bad-mouth my father, but she didn’t.  She also cared for my father’s mother (her former mother-in-law) in spite of what people were saying about her.  She’s had to deal with some pretty crappy stuff in her life that were more or less not her fault.  It’s commendable.

What about the negative?

Dad did whatever the hell he wanted, and I think that led to my mom being single with two kids. I think he was selfish and he missed out on what could have been a stronger relationship with his grandchildren.

Mom is too opinionated.  She cannot leave room for other ideas or points of view.  It creates a lot of turmoil for her.  She doesn’t know what to do with it and then that creates a stress in the relationship.  For example, when I transferred my minisitrial standing to another denomination, she did not attend the service that recognized that transfer.

Honestly, which is weightier? 

With dad, it’s the negative.  With Mom, the positive.

If the relationship is positive, what are one or two of the most important aspects of their parenting that contributed to a healthy relationship?

That she was an adult. She did the things that she should have done as a mother. She was responsible, caring, loving, and teaching.

If the relationship is negative, what are one or two of the most important factors that contributed to a fractured relationship?  

He was just selfish in my estimation.  He was very guarded, too.  When I make the kids do something that they don’t want to do, I explain why.  He demanded respect, he didn’t earn it.  What he got was fear disguised as respect.  With his demand for respect, it did me a disservice because I never learned how to challenge authority until an adult.

What do you wish they had done differently?

I wish my mom had not been as strict with me because I was a good kid.  If you make something taboo, it just makes that thing more appealing.  I wish I’d been exposed to other things, other ideas, other points of view.  For instance, when I was 18, I drove downtown to take a lifeguarding class.  I drove past a beautiful church and realized I’d never seen kids from that church at church camp.  She told me it was a different kind of church and gave a derogatory and dismissing comment about it. I remember that incident and I would have benefited from being exposed to other ideas. My upbringing was pretty sheltered.

I wish my dad had been more open about himself and more supportive.  I played soccer for four years in college and he only came to two games.  We had 18 games per season.  That was shitty.  While I was going to college, he was going to an arthritis specialist two miles from my campus on the same dang road.  He never called to suggest we meet for lunch when he would go his appointments.

How well do you relate to your siblings?

Not very well.  I often feel like the black sheep.  I don’t even know what to do with my brothers.  I’m the only one who went to college.  I don’t know how to relate to them and they probably don’t know how to relate to me.

Do they share your same reflections?

My full brother would probably share same thoughts about our dad and some about my mom.

My other half brother has a very high respect for my dad, but his relationship was so much different.  He lived with him, and he came later in my dad’s life.  My dad relaxed a bit with that son.

Can you share an example of a defining moment with your parents?

I was in third or fourth grade and faked being sick because I thought my mom would stay home with me.  She got everything ready for me that I needed, but then she went to work.  What I really wanted was to spend time with her.  I realized that I was all alone.

Once, when my dad actually did come to one of my soccer games, he sent my brother down to see if I was going into the game (I wasn’t starting).  It’s like he was checking to see if it were worth coming to at all.  I thought, “You son of a bitch.”  For whatever reason, I didn’t start in this game, but had started the last three games.  If he had been there, he would have seen that.  That’s a shitty father.  That’s not supportive, that’s selfish.

Has anything happened since then to change your relationship?

My dad has passed away.  I think in a lot of ways I have swung back around, due to  my own work and talking with counselors. One of the things I’m learning to do is be myself in spite of what others may think.  I think he would appreciate that.  He took that freedom too far, but for me it’s just the freedom and confidence to be myself.  I think we’d have a tighter bond now.

My transfer of ministerial standing has changed my relationship with my mom.  I don’t feel supported now.

I was impressed with Taylor’s commitment to her relationship with her parents, even if she doesn’t like them all the time.  She is faithful in pursuing relationship with the people who brought her into the world while they are still here.  That’s a big part of walking the road of no regret.

What’s your age?

26

Are both of your parents living? 

Yes

Marital Status of Parents: 

Divorced

Number of Siblings:

One sister, 17 months younger

How often do you see your parents? 

Once every three months.  When I travel home, I stay at Mom’s. I have one meal with Dad out to eat.  I don’t know where he lives, he won’t tell me.  We have to meet in public.

What are some of the ways you spend time together?

Dad and I go to eat; it’s all we do, ever.  Sometimes, if I can milk his time, I have him fix my car.  Other than eating out or fixing my car at his shop, we don’t see each other.

Mom is kind of person you can be with.  We’ll sit at the kitchen counter for three hours eating and hanging out.  We both love, LOVE shopping.  But she also loves special events, like art shows, craft festivals, picking strawberries, visiting a winery.  Stuff to get out of house and everyone enjoys it.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you enjoy your father’s company?

That’s a hard one.  My dad is Mr. Personality.  Anything that’s colorful about me, that’s what he’s like, but it’s stressful for me.  I’m always taking care of him and making sure he doesn’t offend everyone in the restaurant.  He’s very loud and over the top.  He always argues with people, and he’s in jail for it as of last night.  He pissed the judge off and got thrown in jail. When he’s enjoyable, he’s the most enjoyable person.  But when he’s not, the pain he’s caused in my life, I think “You shouldn’t be a father!”  I’d say a five, because it’s either one extreme or another.

 On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you enjoy your mother’s company?

She’s really stressful to be around because she’s very analytical, quiet, controlling, nitpicky, opinionated on do’s and don’ts.  She’s an etiquette stickler.  Instead of saying things the way you’d expect like, “Would you like some tea,” it’s “There’s tea over there.”  Is she offering tea or what? But she does want to be pleasant and it’s not all negative.  She’s a very old, Southern traditional type.  She made me go through cotillion twice because I didn’t wipe my hands properly.

Does spending time with them together affect the dynamic of the visit?

My dad was awful to my mom. Rude, treated her like the help.  My mother would have to beg him to come up to dinner and he would stand up and leave as soon as he was done.  My sister and I would clean up.  Dad was the king and he got to do what he wanted.  They started the separation/divorce process in 2002.  My aunt announced to the family at Christmas in my junior year that my father was cheating on my mother and I was sent to live with a family member.

The dynamic is different because I have a relationship with my dad now.  The years he was with my mom, he was so disconnected from her, that he was also disconnected from us girls.

What are some of the positive aspects of your relationship with them?

Dad can be really fun to be with.  He’s hilarious and always causing mischief and adventure.  He would do anything for me.  I’ve never questioned that he would go so far as to kill my ex-husband if I asked him.   He would sing “Winter, spring, summer or fall, all you have to do is call” every night to us.  He doesn’t hesitate to care about me.  He’s charismatic.

Mom’s really organized.  She keeps records to a T.  If I called her tomorrow to know if I needed a shot, she could tell me.  Everything she’s ever bought, she has the receipt for.  She’s the lady that writes the complaint letters.  She’s savvy about things. She is very accommodating and hospitable to company.  I appreciate what I’ve learned from her, even if she didn’t intend to teach it to me.  I’ve watched her and learn how to care for people and maintain friendship.  She’s very intentional. She sends cards and doesn’t write in them.  She writes on a post-it note so you can re-use the card.  And she always sends a dollar in it.

What about the negative?

Dad’s completely untrustworthy and extremely manipulative.  I will never know my father.  For Christmas in 2006, I got him the movie Big Fish.  I never heard from him about it, and then one day he called me crying.  I’ve never heard my dad cry.   He asked, “Is that what you think of me?”

Mom is awful at communication. She’s extremely passive aggressive and very judgmental.

Honestly, which weighs more?

For both, the positive outweighs it, because God has given me a gift to look at my parents and love them, but I don’t have to like them.  I can look at the positive parts of them and cherish that in myself.

If the relationship is positive, what are one or two of the most important aspects of their parenting that contributed to a healthy relationship?

It has nothing to do with their parenting.  It is 100% decision that I made: I could continue letting them hurt me, or I could remember that having a relationship with them is more important to me than not having one.  It makes me sad about my sister, because she hates my dad.

What do you wish they had done differently?

That they had been raised correctly.  I think there are direct connections about how my dad is to how he was raised.  And the same with my mom.  My grandmother and my mom are the same person, but I don’t think her siblings (my aunts and uncles) could pass a psychiatric evaluation.

What do you most appreciate about their parenting?

When they were parents, they were extremely invested in being parents.  I don’t have any complaints about my childhood.  It was a fairy tale.  We had a vacation home, I had tennis lessons, I got my first jet-ski when I was six.  We went to the Bahamas every year.  Their parenting was more of a priority than their marriage was.

How well do you relate to your sister? 

She is my best friend.  We might as well have been twins.  We dressed the same, did things together.  We talk on the phone 10 times a day–we sit on the phone and breathe!  We are a unit.  You can never break us.

Would she share your same reflections?

She doesn’t really talk about personal things.  She would never volunteer for this.  But, if she were sitting here, she’d agree with everything I said. I don’t know if that’s because she hasn’t taken the time to process how she feels about these things, or because I’m her big sister.

Can you share an example of a defining moment with your parents?

This is the first thing that came to my head:  I was the one who kicked my father out of the house one year after the announcement about his affair.  He was on his blue-tooth all day with his girlfriend.  He didn’t open any of his presents, and when Mom wanted us to watch him open his presents that night, I was like, “No!  We all had family Christmas and he didn’t partake.”  I lost my cool.  It had been coming up for a year.  My mom was scared of him for 25 years and hadn’t confronted him, so I said it.  I told him to live with the family he wanted to be part of.  I physically pushed him out the door and closed it.  He had spent all the money on his girlfriend.  It was bad for our relationship but I wouldn’t take it back.  We didn’t speak for 2 years. I drew up the divorce papers for them.

Has anything happened in your recent history with them to change your relationship?

I moved out of the house after high school and went through a big thing where I FORGAVE my father.  Then he lied to me.  I have learned to love him for who he is, but I don’t have to like him.  My sister insists that he should call her, make the effort, but I want to know the person who created me.  Who I came out of.  I don’t want to miss that opportunity while he’s alive just because he’s a bad person.